This past week, a lot has gone on south of the continent. First of all, the quagmire surrounding Jonathon Shapiro's satirical cartoon: I did mean to add my pithy contribution to the hullabaloo, it had the working title of Cartoon Culture but was stymied by the flu mid-way. I've subsequently read a couple of excellent blogs on the same subject, so instead I'm posting a link to one of the best takes, here.
And now a spot of voyeurism: Safiyyah and I tend to have enormously gratifying chats, intellectually stimulating, such that we start off sharing coiffure tips and end up debating South African politics. This is how we got round to cartoon culture:
(Caveat lector, it was a few words between friends, spelling is poor, opinion is decidedly candid, do be kind in judgement)
2008/09/10 | 10:42:53 AM | Safs | lol yeah whats happened to Makutano? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:43:08 AM | Safs | u really are going to neglect ur kids! | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:43:09 AM | Safs | hehe | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:43:12 AM | Kay | lol | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:43:23 AM | Kay | a tragedy i tell ya | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:43:45 AM | Kay | you've heard about the rumblings in these parts about the zapiro cartoon? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:44:13 AM | Safs | nopes, do tell | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:44:22 AM | Safs | u are my window to SA | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:44:38 AM | Kay | sunday times published a zapiro cartoon | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:44:45 AM | Kay | wait lemme get a link for you | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:44:53 AM | Kay | if i descreibe it it'll spoil it for you | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:49:25 AM | Kay | opinion? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:49:59 AM | Safs | omigod | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:50:12 AM | Kay | risque dont you think? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:50:18 AM | Safs | talk about a strong message | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:51:35 AM | Kay | absolutely | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:51:41 AM | Safs | sad to say it is true, but the image of a women being raped...i dont know | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:51:58 AM | Safs | how has the public reacted? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:52:44 AM | Kay | that's the uncomfortable thing for me | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:52:53 AM | Kay | has rape become so much a norm? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:53:13 AM | Safs | hmm or perhaps he just wants to portray the gravity of the situation? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:53:40 AM | Kay | you know it comes back to the freedom of expression vs hate speech quandry | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:53:48 AM | Safs | like telling the public, open your eyes! | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:54:49 AM | Safs | no matter what u think this cartoon wil force a reaction out of you! | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:54:54 AM | Kay | absoluely | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:55:00 AM | Kay | very strong reactions too | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:56:12 AM | Safs | i dont know... | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:56:14 AM | Safs | what to think | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:56:55 AM | Safs | part of me is like yes, this is the right message to be sending out, but the feminist in me is saying no, why use a women | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:57:15 AM | Kay | i keep coming back to the cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:57:25 AM | Kay | somethings are beyond caricature | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:57:35 AM | Safs | uh huh | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:57:38 AM | Safs | definitely | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:58:40 AM | Kay | rape i think is one of them | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:59:03 AM | Safs | im leaning towards agreeing with you! | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:59:10 AM | Safs | he couldve used a murder scene? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 10:59:52 AM | Safs | but maybe he wants to show gross violation, which rape symbolizes, something deeper, more immoral | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:00:15 AM | Kay | yea... but zuma's rape background makes using rape irresistable... taints him all over again | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:00:21 AM | Kay | as if he was never acquited | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:00:21 AM | Safs | ohhh yeah | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:00:26 AM | Safs | i didnt think about that | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:01:21 AM | Safs | wow, this cartoon is STRONG | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:01:21 AM | Safs | what do u think? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:01:44 AM | Kay | it is absolutely | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:01:54 AM | Kay | i mean to bring all this up it has to be | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:04:48 AM | Kay | the anc claim they aren't going to prosecute zapiro | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:05:00 AM | Kay | but i cant help thinking if they do, they'd probly win | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:05:50 AM | Safs | i dont understand? | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:06:13 AM | Safs | this deserves a makutano post u know, ppl to need to discuss these issues! or atleast be exposed to them | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:06:16 AM | Kay | defamation of character | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:06:23 AM | Kay | i'm thinking the same thing | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:06:28 AM | Kay | let me get to it! | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:08:43 AM | Safs | alright | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:09:20 AM | Kay | perhaps you could do a couner post... out of context what it means to you | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:10:54 AM | Safs | good idea | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:11:18 AM | Safs | but i need a lead, so wil wait for ur ideas | |||||
2008/09/10 | 11:11:22 AM | Kay | K | |||||
And post Pietermaritzburg judgement :
2008/09/13 | 01:56:43 PM | Kay | i'm just looking at my half finished post for makutano i was too ill to finish it and now there's more to be said | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:56:52 PM | Kay | anc's calling for mbeki to resign :S | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:56:57 PM | Safs | i know! | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:57:03 PM | Safs | i watched thenews | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:57:06 PM | Safs | on al jaz | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:57:13 PM | Kay | it's worrying | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:57:21 PM | Safs | we were dumbfounded! there was this former anc guy | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:57:31 PM | Safs | and he made such an import point | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:58:15 PM | Safs | that if the president of the country, i.e Zuma, can get away scotch free from so many accusations, what message does that send to the public and the moral high ground | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:58:26 PM | Safs | if anything, it will just fuel the crime | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:58:27 PM | Kay | absolutely! | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:58:45 PM | Kay | there's no real justice, because he's getting off on a technicality | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:58:51 PM | Safs | so whats mbekis position? | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:59:11 PM | Safs | yeah exactly, because the prosecution didnt give him time to defend himself | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:59:17 PM | Kay | it's so ironic that in the week of mbeki's greatest triumph, power sharing in zim, he has to face this | |||||
2008/09/13 | 01:59:21 PM | Safs | looks the judge is bought over | |||||
2008/09/13 | 02:00:04 PM | Safs | yeah i saw that too, gosh zim is a mess... one lady said she doesnt care who gets whats position, because zimbabwe is hungry! | |||||
2008/09/13 | 02:00:20 PM | Kay | :( | |||||
2008/09/13 | 02:00:37 PM | Kay | there's so much going on in the world how do we remain in our bubbles |
And then:
2008/09/14 | 11:24:22 AM | Kay | apparently mbeki has his weeks numbered as president :( | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:24:34 AM | Kay | the media are so fickle! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:24:50 AM | Kay | it used to be bash zuma now it's bash mbeki | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:25:17 AM | Safs | whoa | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:25:20 AM | Safs | weeks? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:25:35 AM | Safs | yeah, whoever they can gain favour with right? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:25:39 AM | Kay | yea! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:25:50 AM | Safs | it wont do them any good to bash zuma if he gonna be next presd. | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:26:00 AM | Safs | each to his own interests...sad | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:26:02 AM | Kay | the sunday times esp are culprtis of sensational journalism | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:26:16 AM | Kay | the drivel they print just to make waves! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:26:18 AM | Safs | i know! can u even call that journalism? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:26:31 AM | Kay | it's horrific! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:27:51 AM | Kay | i'm going to find it very hard voting for zuma | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:07 AM | Safs | u CANT vote for him | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:22 AM | Safs | what are the other options | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:30 AM | Kay | and you know what i hate is this mentality in our community that says zuma's good with indians so we should like him | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:39 AM | Safs | ugh! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:42 AM | Kay | bleh! what are we living in apaartheid?! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:45 AM | Safs | ive heard that before | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:28:56 AM | Safs | from my own family! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:29:33 AM | Safs | does morality not feature anywhere in judgement? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:29:50 AM | Safs | as long as we're making money, and living above the masses? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:29:53 AM | Kay | exactly! cant we see beyond indianness? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:30:12 AM | Kay | that's all our community strives for | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:30:46 AM | Safs | are we indian before we SAian? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:31:10 AM | Kay | in some sections of our community indian dominates | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:31:16 AM | Safs | majority have never seen and never want to see india! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:31:36 AM | Safs | yet suddenly , zuma is the saviour of indians... | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:31:41 AM | Kay | exactly! so why do we persist with this victim complex? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:32:04 AM | Safs | for securty i guess.. | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:32:39 AM | Kay | what worries me about zuma is he's playing populist politics | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:32:54 AM | Kay | makes a few noises about the death penalty get the afrikaner vote | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:33:10 AM | Kay | a few noses about economic reform gets the poor vote | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:33:26 AM | Kay | what does HE stand for? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:33:51 AM | Safs | yeah that is worrisome | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:34:05 AM | Safs | we dont knw what lies beneath the charismatic exterior | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:34:25 AM | Safs | something evil and untodo lurking... | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:34:58 AM | Kay | that's the worry | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:35:02 AM | Safs | levels of uneducation must be higher than thought in SA if ppl fall for him... | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:35:29 AM | Kay | that's what i say... i suspect a distinct lack of literacy! | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:35:45 AM | Safs | certainly.. | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:36:37 AM | Safs | is there any anti zuma goings on ? | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:36:52 AM | Kay | safs gtg visitors... | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:36:57 AM | Kay | catch up later iA | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:37:05 AM | Safs | ok np | |||||
2008/09/14 | 11:37:08 AM | Safs | enjoy |
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